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March 07, 2012, 12:26:08 PM
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The thing is with Tali there has always been a massive mystery about her. Anything BIoware would have released would have upset someone somewhere, myself I am sad that there has been a reveal as now there won't be any more great fan art speculation what quarian's look like.

But the image we got is probably as close as they could have gotten, sure a few more alien features on the face would have been nice, perhaps a skin pigmentation design along the lines of extremely light Henna tattoos around the "ears" and edges of the cheeks or maybe a few more ridges, but tbh what we have could be enough, and as Tran said she is just one quarian, who are incredibly mammalian in design. Like us they could have alternate skin patterns or differing ridges or something between them, here on Earth we have different skin colours and facial shapes, hell the Asari have different skin colours ranging from deep purple to a very light blue.

Also we haven't seen the quarian bodies unsuited yet, he haven't, they could have a bit more to go with their differing legs, hips, hands and feet, their bodies are alien enough, sure not as flashy as a Drell or as spiky as a Turian, but still definitely not human.

As for me...like I said I had kinda hoped not for any type of reveal to keep the contemplative fan art going, I would have assumed they'd have done some kind of poll on this or something, given the wide varieties of fan-art out there, and there is a fuck-ton of artwork out there so it's not as if they could have said "oh we just didn't know the sort of things fans wanted..." because they could.

These are my favourites out of the artworks so far, I couldn't find an un-edited Vespaz Tali image, but that is also one of my favourites due to the quality;
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/015/7/b/tali_by_alecyl-d4mgxnq.jpg
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/230/1/0/10d366559702b44e3ea71849b93b20fa-d471hsr.png
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/058/a/a/tali__zorah_by_lordagoran-d4r5y2w.jpg
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/148/5/d/tali_without_helmet_by_calisto_lynn-d3hetly.jpg
There are many more out there that are just fantastic and I for one will be very sad to see them fade away and not continue on, but as I said what we got was good, and I suppose artwork of that design can be done now, she's alien enough to be good but in my opinion something a bit more would have been nicer, not too much though, just a bit.
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Reasonable and most probably justified, but you can't separate EA and Bioware anymore. Bioware just is part of EA now, it's now part of who they are.
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Yeah, that's the thing. It isn't just about Tali. It isn't even primarily about her. It's about the quarians in general, and what Bioware is thus establishing as canon for them. I don't have any problems with the picture from a romance point of view - silly as it may be that people want an alien LI but then want it to be basically human, that in itself wouldn't be much harm. My problem is, as I've said with the terrible worldbuilding this does.
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March 07, 2012, 12:32:17 PM
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The thing is with Tali there has always been a massive mystery about her. Anything BIoware would have released would have upset someone somewhere, myself I am sad that there has been a reveal as now there won't be any more great fan art speculation what quarian's look like.

But the image we got is probably as close as they could have gotten, sure a few more alien features on the face would have been nice, perhaps a skin pigmentation design along the lines of extremely light Henna tattoos around the "ears" and edges of the cheeks or maybe a few more ridges, but tbh what we have could be enough, and as Tran said she is just one quarian, who are incredibly mammalian in design. Like us they could have alternate skin patterns or differing ridges or something between them, here on Earth we have different skin colours and facial shapes, hell the Asari have different skin colours ranging from deep purple to a very light blue.

Also we haven't seen the quarian bodies unsuited yet, he haven't, they could have a bit more to go with their differing legs, hips, hands and feet, their bodies are alien enough, sure not as flashy as a Drell or as spiky as a Turian, but still definitely not human.

As for me...like I said I had kinda hoped not for any type of reveal to keep the contemplative fan art going, I would have assumed they'd have done some kind of poll on this or something, given the wide varieties of fan-art out there, and there is a fuck-ton of artwork out there so it's not as if they could have said "oh we just didn't know the sort of things fans wanted..." because they could.

These are my favourites out of the artworks so far, I couldn't find an un-edited Vespaz Tali image, but that is also one of my favourites due to the quality;
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/015/7/b/tali_by_alecyl-d4mgxnq.jpg
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/230/1/0/10d366559702b44e3ea71849b93b20fa-d471hsr.png
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/058/a/a/tali__zorah_by_lordagoran-d4r5y2w.jpg
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/148/5/d/tali_without_helmet_by_calisto_lynn-d3hetly.jpg
There are many more out there that are just fantastic and I for one will be very sad to see them fade away and not continue on, but as I said what we got was good, and I suppose artwork of that design can be done now, she's alien enough to be good but in my opinion something a bit more would have been nicer, not too much though, just a bit.


Oooh, couple of new ones in there, I am way out of the loop on Tali fan art.  I need to raid Runes supply or something...  And your post is otherwise incredibly on point about the whole thing.
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March 07, 2012, 12:32:54 PM
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Bioware is owned by EA, if I'm not mistaken. There will never be any Bioware game without EA involvement anymore. That's what I meant. They're inseparable, because you'll get such meddling in any Bioware game from now on - and thus it becomes a trait of Bioware itself.
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March 07, 2012, 12:35:30 PM
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Bioware is owned by EA, if I'm not mistaken. There will never be any Bioware game without EA involvement anymore. That's what I meant. They're inseparable, because you'll get such meddling in any Bioware game from now on - and thus it becomes a trait of Bioware itself.
Yes, they are involved. But it isn't like they dictate every decision like you seem to have implied. If I am not mistaken they are given a lot of freedom, comparatively speaking.
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March 07, 2012, 12:35:59 PM
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Oooh, couple of new ones in there, I am way out of the loop on Tali fan art.  I need to raid Runes supply or something...  And your post is otherwise incredibly on point about the whole thing.
Thank you.
Yeah I have been sticking to deviantart and looking out for viable faces, there really are some quality ones in there, there are some I didn't post because they didn't fit the placeholder face too much. Hell on the third she has nose ridges and still looks beautiful, and they're not on the placeholder.
A mix of that one and the "official" face I'd have accepted a bit more, but beggars can't be choosers.
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March 07, 2012, 01:26:22 PM
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So. . .you get that picture after Tali kills herself, if you side with the Geth? That makes me want to cry right now. . . nevermind what would happen in game, with voice acting and visuals and more than a one sentence description.  But is there no way to get the picture without Tali killing herself?
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March 07, 2012, 02:01:37 PM
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The thing is with Tali there has always been a massive mystery about her. Anything BIoware would have released would have upset someone somewhere, myself I am sad that there has been a reveal as now there won't be any more great fan art speculation what quarian's look like.

But the image we got is probably as close as they could have gotten, sure a few more alien features on the face would have been nice, perhaps a skin pigmentation design along the lines of extremely light Henna tattoos around the "ears" and edges of the cheeks or maybe a few more ridges, but tbh what we have could be enough, and as Tran said she is just one quarian, who are incredibly mammalian in design. Like us they could have alternate skin patterns or differing ridges or something between them, here on Earth we have different skin colours and facial shapes, hell the Asari have different skin colours ranging from deep purple to a very light blue.

Also we haven't seen the quarian bodies unsuited yet, he haven't, they could have a bit more to go with their differing legs, hips, hands and feet, their bodies are alien enough, sure not as flashy as a Drell or as spiky as a Turian, but still definitely not human.

As for me...like I said I had kinda hoped not for any type of reveal to keep the contemplative fan art going, I would have assumed they'd have done some kind of poll on this or something, given the wide varieties of fan-art out there, and there is a fuck-ton of artwork out there so it's not as if they could have said "oh we just didn't know the sort of things fans wanted..." because they could.

These are my favourites out of the artworks so far, I couldn't find an un-edited Vespaz Tali image, but that is also one of my favourites due to the quality;
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/015/7/b/tali_by_alecyl-d4mgxnq.jpg
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/230/1/0/10d366559702b44e3ea71849b93b20fa-d471hsr.png
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/058/a/a/tali__zorah_by_lordagoran-d4r5y2w.jpg
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/148/5/d/tali_without_helmet_by_calisto_lynn-d3hetly.jpg
There are many more out there that are just fantastic and I for one will be very sad to see them fade away and not continue on, but as I said what we got was good, and I suppose artwork of that design can be done now, she's alien enough to be good but in my opinion something a bit more would have been nicer, not too much though, just a bit.

I pretty much agree with what Mazder wrote, except I was never against the idea of her face beign revealed.
People can't speculate anymore how Quarians and Tali look like, but there are so many amazing pictures of her already, and some people are too stubborn to stop making new ones if they don't like the canon face.
As for the issue of Bioware practicaly copying some already existing photo, haven't seen the photo nor Tali's face yet so I can't judge.

Also, that first picture is amazing, had never seen it before. ^-^

And here's the Vespaz's one, it's hard to not find it, but I'll post it anyway. ;D
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March 07, 2012, 02:29:01 PM
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Yeah, I'd say I prefer Vespaz's picture. 
I don't care what Tali looks like.  Her true beauty is in her spirit and personality, and those can't be locked behind a mask.

March 07, 2012, 02:37:34 PM
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So. . .you get that picture after Tali kills herself, if you side with the Geth? That makes me want to cry right now. . . nevermind what would happen in game, with voice acting and visuals and more than a one sentence description.  But is there no way to get the picture without Tali killing herself?
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March 07, 2012, 07:24:13 PM
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That's the point. They're blue and yet still were supposed to look the closest to humans (ingame from a human point of view - and closest to turians from a turian point of view and so on). And now the quarians suddenly look exactly like humans? No that doesn't add up, no matter what you say. Quarians should have been way more alien.
OFF TOPIC, sorry. I thought I heard somewhere that Asari get into your head and make you see what you want to see. In the end, I love the way she looks. Very beautiful. :wub:
A quick note on the asari: Humans, turians, and salarians all say they look like them, there are features that do but what I think you are supposed to take from this is than in the eyes of the viewer asari are always similar.  I would bet on some sort of pheromones thing (or biotic fields) if I had to guess.

And lets be honest here: How are asari different from humans visually?  They have head tentacles instead of head hair.  How are drell different from humans visually?  They are reptilian.  Neither of these species have anything separating them from human except the one feature.

Quarians have always been alike to humans: Ascension does not leave a lot of room for alteration.  The character upon finding the unsuited quarian actually doesn't realize that it's a quarian at first.  Lips, eyes, eyelids, nose, teeth, cheekbones.  The quarians have live births, breastfeed their young both strong mammalian characteristics.  The only thing has been "what passed for the quarian version of an ear".  So there is the quarians "one thing": They have funny ears.  That along with the legs, hands and toes, and the alterations to body style is your different from humans and it is easily on par with the differences for the other species as well.
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March 07, 2012, 09:08:51 PM
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I pretty much agree with what Mazder wrote, except I was never against the idea of her face beign revealed.
People can't speculate anymore how Quarians and Tali look like, but there are so many amazing pictures of her already, and some people are too stubborn to stop making new ones if they don't like the canon face.
As for the issue of Bioware practicaly copying some already existing photo, haven't seen the photo nor Tali's face yet so I can't judge.

Also, that first picture is amazing, had never seen it before. ^-^

And here's the Vespaz's one, it's hard to not find it, but I'll post it anyway. ;D


Lol, well at the time I cba to use google to find an unedited version. :D

I'm not really against it, so much as I wish they wouldn't more than I wish they would, but I didn't come to that conclusion until after I had learned they'd released it and saw it myself. :D
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March 08, 2012, 02:23:24 AM
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So, for my own clarification,

Spoiler for Hiden:
  the only time we get to see Tali's face is if she dies. Never any in-game render?
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So, for my own clarification,

Spoiler for Hiden:
  the only time we get to see Tali's face is if she dies. Never any in-game render?

Nope.

March 08, 2012, 02:39:31 AM
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No, you can see her picture if she lives, once her romance is completed.  But no, no in-game renders.
I don't care what Tali looks like.  Her true beauty is in her spirit and personality, and those can't be locked behind a mask.

March 08, 2012, 03:03:40 AM
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No, you can see her picture if she lives, once her romance is completed.  But no, no in-game renders.

This....angers me


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Just to ask...did anyone else notice how Tali's pic looked like a revamped Miranda Lawson? 
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March 08, 2012, 09:56:16 AM
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Just to ask...did anyone else notice how Tali's pic looked like a revamped Miranda Lawson? 
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March 08, 2012, 10:05:37 AM
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Hmm...maybe just me then...and I didn't like it.  I like that they finally put a face to the voice but...damn...the voice was just so...much better suited to the intrigue and mystery of the quarians and Tali in general.

Ah well...my vision of Tali is better then the reality anyway.  Isn't that the point of RPGs anyway? Being able to envision the world involved how YOU want it to be, rather the storywriters' and designers point of view?  If it isn't, then what the fuck is the point of making these types of games in the first place?
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Just because it amuses me: http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/photo/hammasa-royalt%C2%ADy-free-image/123488108?Languag%C2%ADe=en-US

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Obviously the model is not Sroka but they certainly aren't extremely different looking.

Either way I'm with Tran, this isn't a shocking revelation. I just wish she'd had white/pale hair. Then I could have pretty much claimed I was right when I wrote my fic :D
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March 09, 2012, 05:30:27 AM
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Least it ain't this!

I think it was I who first brought that little abomination onto the site.  The second pic Mazder posted of her was adorable.  So was that one almost photorealistic one that some guy did.
 

All in all, I was kinda disappointed.  I was hoping she'd be about as human as a Draenei from World of Warcraft.  Human looking, but definitely not human, you know what I mean?  She also looks... I guess it would be more beautiful/sexy than cute, you know?  Either way, I'm okay with it, but the whole fiasco with the stock image... I mean what the hell, Bioware.  A lackluster end to what could've been a freaking epic romance (Y U NO SHOW US UR FACE ON RANNOCH?!?) all in all.  I guess my purpose for joining this forum all those months ago is complete. 

Overall: Mildly disappointed.