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March 31, 2012, 01:04:04 AM

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Found it interesting, when I first read about the meaning of her name.

Of course, there are several meanings, but the one that stuck with me was the hebrew definition: "My Lamb"

Then we have Commander Shepard. His last name, although spelled differently, was mentioned at the end as The Shepard.

Were Tali and Shepard supposed to be together (even though most of us made it happen)?
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March 31, 2012, 04:09:39 PM
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Black helicopters, google it

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April 01, 2012, 12:58:33 AM
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Hebrew definition: Dew: My lamb.

Talia: Dew from God.

As I said many definitions, but lamb was what stuck out because of "The Shepard". 

Black helicopters? Dafuq?
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April 01, 2012, 02:50:05 AM
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I know that it sounds a bit obsessive but if I ever have kids I'm going to name my girl Tali. The main reason being I really just like the name in all honesty and two I just fucking love Tali.
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April 01, 2012, 03:14:58 AM
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I know that it sounds a bit obsessive but if I ever have kids I'm going to name my girl Tali. The main reason being I really just like the name in all honesty and two I just fucking love Tali.

Told my girl to change her name to Tali.
Been 3 days since I've heard from her. I regret nothing.
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April 01, 2012, 03:27:09 AM
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So, "The Shepard". . . and Tali means lamb?  Way to go Bioware, bucking the trend of making the main LI an oversexualized human character.  For once, the leading female is an intelligent, modest (but still hot  :wub: ) alien.  I'm proud of you.  Now just release real ending dlc, and I'll even consider buying Dragon Age III.   
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April 01, 2012, 09:28:16 AM
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Hew now, this is the ME-obsessed fan base, all you DA peoples can post elsewhere
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April 01, 2012, 10:16:58 AM
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You are correct. Almighty, Admin, 1000 apologies .

Now, Garrus... Black Helicopter? Where did you get that meaning?
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April 01, 2012, 10:29:24 AM
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the trend of making the main LI an oversexualized human character
...eh, what?

Seeing that Tali wasn't planned as a LI originally, and since not everybody knows Hebrew, I think this all is coincidence. Which is good, because Shepard/Tali=Shepherd/Lamb is also a bit... creepy, if you look at it from a certain angle.
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...eh, what?

Seeing that Tali wasn't planned as a LI originally, and since not everybody knows Hebrew, I think this all is coincidence. Which is good, because Shepard/Tali=Shepherd/Lamb is also a bit... creepy, if you look at it from a certain angle.

Getting the ball rolling! So, you believe it is coincidence? Now, we can't say that BW wanted Shep to focus on human Li, because Liara was included, but I believe they also wanted you to feel for Tali, being the poor Quarian that she is, they wanted you to feel as if you needed to be there for her. On the other hand, some people just didn't give a damn. If it's a coincidence, which most likely it is, it's a  weird one. Then again there are so many religious tones in that series that it might have been planned.

Also, what angle doth thou speak?
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April 01, 2012, 11:31:33 AM
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It has nothing to do with human or non-human LIs. Tali wasn't a LI, period, in ME 1, if you recall, and there had been no plans for her to be, either. The devs were very surprised by her unexpected popularity among the fans, and she was only made a LI in ME 2 as a way to please the fans. Now, granted, the name symbolism could still be there without Tali having been planned as a LI, but as it was, in fact, Tali was just a walking codex entry on quarians in ME 1 (if a rather adorable one :P ), so, yeah, I just don't think Tali as she was in ME 1, when she (and her name...) were introduced would get so much effort on subtle clues.

As for creepy - hm. Well, in combination with the romance (so symbolism planned in ME 1 but romance not would actually make it non-creepy). So Shepard 'shepherds' the lamb to the relationship? That feels kinda wrong. Kinda like bride grooming.
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April 01, 2012, 07:45:16 PM
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It has nothing to do with human or non-human LIs. Tali wasn't a LI, period, in ME 1, if you recall, and there had been no plans for her to be, either. The devs were very surprised by her unexpected popularity among the fans, and she was only made a LI in ME 2 as a way to please the fans. Now, granted, the name symbolism could still be there without Tali having been planned as a LI, but as it was, in fact, Tali was just a walking codex entry on quarians in ME 1 (if a rather adorable one :P ), so, yeah, I just don't think Tali as she was in ME 1, when she (and her name...) were introduced would get so much effort on subtle clues.

As for creepy - hm. Well, in combination with the romance (so symbolism planned in ME 1 but romance not would actually make it non-creepy). So Shepard 'shepherds' the lamb to the relationship? That feels kinda wrong. Kinda like bride grooming.

Very true.

So, unintentional as it was, weird as it is, it would then be safe to say that coincidence would be the most acceptable answer. I mean we could break down the game itself and look for these points or subtle clues, but I think that would be another thread.


Her name actually fits in ME 1, being young and all, receiving aid by Shepard. A young lamb who needed help. Same goes for 2, when she needed help with data on Heastrom. Again, she was in danger and looked to the sheperd for that aid.

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April 01, 2012, 08:50:58 PM
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...eh, what?

Seeing that Tali wasn't planned as a LI originally, and since not everybody knows Hebrew, I think this all is coincidence. Which is good, because Shepard/Tali=Shepherd/Lamb is also a bit... creepy, if you look at it from a certain angle.

She was actually originally planned as an LI, scrapped because people wouldn't go for it, and brought back because people insisted.
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She was actually originally planned as an LI, scrapped because people wouldn't go for it, and brought back because people insisted.


I would assume so, but why do you think people didn't want to go for her? Her appearance?
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I would assume so, but why do you think people didn't want to go for her? Her appearance?
BioWare thought that her and Garrus were "too alien" and that people wouldn't find them attractive enough to want to romance them.  Silly, BioWare.  ::)

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BioWare thought that her and Garrus were "too alien" and that people wouldn't find them attractive enough to want to romance them.  Silly, BioWare.  ::)

Hey the scars attract the ladies, dont you know?
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She was actually originally planned as an LI, scrapped because people wouldn't go for it, and brought back because people insisted.
You keep saying that, but I haven't seen any evidence for it. If there were plans I think they must have been rather far down the priorities list. Lower than making Kaidan and Ashley open as romance for both genders, for example, seeing as there is still voice content for that, at least.
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April 07, 2012, 09:47:25 PM
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Hey the scars attract the ladies, dont you know?
In fact, I did know that!  When I first made my Shepard, I gave him scars (Sole Survivor; made sense to have them).  Leave it to Cerberus to take that away from him when they rebuilt him.  :dry:

April 07, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
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It's the 22nd century. Sole Survivor or not, I'd think they'd have methods to quickly and painfully remove scars. If Shepard is vain enough, that is :D
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April 16, 2012, 10:30:55 AM
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It's the 22nd century. Sole Survivor or not, I'd think they'd have methods to quickly and painfully remove scars. If Shepard is vain enough, that is :D
Well, Alexandra Shepard had her hair altered to grow in purple, so...
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...did I write "painfully"? -_-;; It should be clear to everybody but I meant "painlessly" of course ^^;;; Damn, embarrassing. Damn you, Freud...
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...did I write "painfully"? -_-;; It should be clear to everybody but I meant "painlessly" of course ^^;;; Damn, embarrassing. Damn you, Freud...
Holy shit, I read it as "painlessly" too. Granted, I'm currently rocking a monster sinus headache and haven't been able to sleep for a couple days, so...
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Holy shit, I read it as "painlessly" too. Granted, I'm currently rocking a monster sinus headache and haven't been able to sleep for a couple days, so...

No way!

Me too  :pinch:
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